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How To Be A Better Boss with Sabina Nawaz (#83) episode art

How To Be A Better Boss with Sabina Nawaz (#83)

Sabina Nawaz on how pressure rather than power corrupts managers, and the microhabits that make bosses more effective.

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How To Overcome the Daily Norms Holding You Back with Nilofer Merchant (#82) episode art

How To Overcome the Daily Norms Holding You Back with Nilofer Merchant (#82)

Nilofer Merchant on the invisible workplace norms that limit innovation, and how questioning them leads to more fulfilling work.

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The Curious Optimism of People Who Choose Impossible Quests with Mark Medley (#81) episode art

The Curious Optimism of People Who Choose Impossible Quests with Mark Medley (#81)

Mark Medley on people who pursue seemingly impossible goals, and the long-term mindset and hope behind their quests.

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Having Wild Courage To Get What You Want with Jenny Wood (#80) episode art

Having Wild Courage To Get What You Want with Jenny Wood (#80)

Jenny Wood on the traits people are usually told to suppress, and how using them moves a career forward.

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Why We Talk To Cats and Make Everything "Humanish" with Justin Gregg (#79) episode art

Why We Talk To Cats and Make Everything "Humanish" with Justin Gregg (#79)

Justin Gregg on why people treat animals, products, and AI as human, and what anthropomorphism does to us.

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Why Belief Is the Biggest Reason For Success or Failure with Nir Eyal (#78) episode art

Why Belief Is the Biggest Reason For Success or Failure with Nir Eyal (#78)

Nir Eyal on how the brain predicts reality, and why beliefs shape behavior, persistence, and success.

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How To Manage Your Boss To Win At Work with Melody Wilding (#77) episode art

How To Manage Your Boss To Win At Work with Melody Wilding (#77)

Melody Wilding on managing up, reading workplace psychology, and handling a difficult boss without stalling your career.

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The Hidden Secrets of How Stuff Gets Made with Tim Minshall (#76) episode art

The Hidden Secrets of How Stuff Gets Made with Tim Minshall (#76)

Tim Minshall on how manufacturing shapes daily life, why supply chains are fragile, and what factory visits reveal.

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How Under Armour Is Rediscovering Their Identity With Kevin Plank (#75) episode art

How Under Armour Is Rediscovering Their Identity With Kevin Plank (#75)

Kevin Plank on founding Under Armour, lessons in leadership and innovation, and rebuilding the brand's identity.

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Why Your Ambition Is Working Against You with Amina AlTai (#74) episode art

Why Your Ambition Is Working Against You with Amina AlTai (#74)

Amina AlTai on the difference between purposeful and painful ambition, and how ambition becomes a trap.

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The Difference Between Mentors and Sponsors with Dr. Rosalind Chow (#73) episode art

The Difference Between Mentors and Sponsors with Dr. Rosalind Chow (#73)

Rosalind Chow on how sponsorship differs from mentorship, and the power dynamics that decide who advances.

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Don't Be Yourself: Why Authenticity Is Overrated with Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic (#72) episode art

Don't Be Yourself: Why Authenticity Is Overrated with Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic (#72)

Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic on why the advice to be authentic is misleading, and what actually makes leaders effective.

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How To Avoid the Strategy Trap In Business with Kevin Ertell (#71) episode art

How To Avoid the Strategy Trap In Business with Kevin Ertell (#71)

Kevin Ertell on why execution matters more than strategy, and how to build follow-through into company culture.

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Selling Your Mother: The Mrs. Meyers Clean Day Story with Monica Nassif (#70) episode art

Selling Your Mother: The Mrs. Meyers Clean Day Story with Monica Nassif (#70)

Monica Nassif on building Mrs. Meyer's Clean Day around her family's values, and why authentic storytelling earns trust.

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Telling the Stories of Custodians Saving Dying Traditions with Eliot Stein (#69) episode art

Telling the Stories of Custodians Saving Dying Traditions with Eliot Stein (#69)

Eliot Stein on the individuals around the world who keep ancient cultural traditions from disappearing.

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Why You Should Let People Yell At Your Kids with Marina Lopes (#68) episode art

Why You Should Let People Yell At Your Kids with Marina Lopes (#68)

Marina Lopes on parenting practices from around the world, and why American families need more community support.

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Surviving Bad Bosses Without Becoming One Yourself with Mita Mallick (#67) episode art

Surviving Bad Bosses Without Becoming One Yourself with Mita Mallick (#67)

Mita Mallick on handling bad bosses, setting boundaries, and avoiding the behaviors that create them.

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Talking Nice: How to Be More Trusted at Work with Minda Harts (#66) episode art

Talking Nice: How to Be More Trusted at Work with Minda Harts (#66)

Minda Harts on building trust at work, being heard, and the role of vulnerability in communication.

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Inside the Magical Subculture of Disney Adults with AJ Wolfe (#65) episode art

Inside the Magical Subculture of Disney Adults with AJ Wolfe (#65)

AJ Wolfe on the subculture of Disney adults, what motivates them, and how the community works.

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How To Think Like a Futurist with Henry Coutinho-Mason (#64) episode art

How To Think Like a Futurist with Henry Coutinho-Mason (#64)

Henry Coutinho-Mason on how futurists think, the role of trends, and technology's effect on future thinking.

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Sikh Wisdom and the Art of Understanding People with Simran Jeet Singh (#63) episode art

Sikh Wisdom and the Art of Understanding People with Simran Jeet Singh (#63)

Simran Jeet Singh on diverse storytelling, navigating faith in public spaces, and building empathy across communities.

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The Unlikely Rise of the Coach Brand and "Accessible Luxury" with Lew Frankfort (#62) episode art

The Unlikely Rise of the Coach Brand and "Accessible Luxury" with Lew Frankfort (#62)

Lew Frankfort on turning Coach into a five billion dollar brand and the idea of accessible luxury.

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Why The Secret To Success Is To Stop Competing: Featuring Ruchika T. Malhotra (#61) episode art

Why The Secret To Success Is To Stop Competing: Featuring Ruchika T. Malhotra (#61)

Ruchika T. Malhotra on rejecting competition, and why collaboration and community produce more durable success.

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Will Superhuman Intelligence Be Good or Bad for Humanity? with Nick Bostrom (#60) episode art

Will Superhuman Intelligence Be Good or Bad for Humanity? with Nick Bostrom (#60)

Nick Bostrom on AI risk, existential threats, and why a balanced approach to technological progress matters.

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How To Have More Courage and Be More Bold with Ranjay Gulati (#59) episode art

How To Have More Courage and Be More Bold with Ranjay Gulati (#59)

Ranjay Gulati on courage as something shaped by context and support systems rather than personality alone.

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The Future of Storytelling (For Creators) with Charlie Melcher - PART 1 OF 2 (#58) episode art

The Future of Storytelling (For Creators) with Charlie Melcher - PART 1 OF 2 (#58)

Charlie Melcher on the shift from passive media consumption to immersive, interactive storytelling. Part one of two.

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The Future of Exploration [LIVE] - What Will Human Discovery Look Like In the Next Decade? (#57) episode art

The Future of Exploration [LIVE] - What Will Human Discovery Look Like In the Next Decade? (#57)

A live panel with surfer Layne Beachley and space systems engineer Dawn McIntosh on more responsible ocean and space exploration.

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Why the World Still Needs Human Experts with Dorie Clark (#56) episode art

Why the World Still Needs Human Experts with Dorie Clark (#56)

Dorie Clark on why human expertise still matters in an AI era, and the case for long-term thinking.

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How Anyone Can Be Funnier with Anne Libera from Second City (#55) episode art

How Anyone Can Be Funnier with Anne Libera from Second City (#55)

Anne Libera of The Second City on how humor works and why anyone can learn to be funnier.

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Why Successful Entrepreneurs Need To Give First with Brad Feld (#54) episode art

Why Successful Entrepreneurs Need To Give First with Brad Feld (#54)

Brad Feld on the give first philosophy, non-transactional relationships, and staying accessible and responsive.

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Finding Your Calling In Work and Life with Christopher Wong Michealson and Jennifer Tosti-Kharas (#53) episode art

Finding Your Calling In Work and Life with Christopher Wong Michealson and Jennifer Tosti-Kharas (#53)

Christopher Wong Michealson and Jennifer Tosti-Kharas on what makes work meaningful and how technology is changing it.

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Where Humans Will Live In The Future with Parag Khanna (#52) episode art

Where Humans Will Live In The Future with Parag Khanna (#52)

Parag Khanna on mobility as a skill, global talent migration, and where people will live as cities change.

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Why Every Business Needs A Good Strategic Enemy with Laura Ries (#51) episode art

Why Every Business Needs A Good Strategic Enemy with Laura Ries (#51)

Laura Ries on differentiation in marketing, picking a strategic enemy, and the dangers of line extensions.

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Negotiating While Black (Or While Underestimated) with Damali Peterman (#50) episode art

Negotiating While Black (Or While Underestimated) with Damali Peterman (#50)

Damali Peterman on negotiating while underestimated, and why authenticity beats cookie-cutter negotiation tactics.

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How To Laugh at Tragedy Without Becoming A Victim with Tom Nash [LIVE] (#49) episode art

How To Laugh at Tragedy Without Becoming A Victim with Tom Nash [LIVE] (#49)

Tom Nash on using humor to cope with trauma, the nocebo effect, and refusing the victim label. Recorded live in Sydney.

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The Future of Boredom [LIVE] - What Happens When It Is Harder To Do Nothing? with Dr. Joanne Orlando and Dan Ilic (#48) episode art

The Future of Boredom [LIVE] - What Happens When It Is Harder To Do Nothing? with Dr. Joanne Orlando and Dan Ilic (#48)

A live panel with Joanne Orlando and Dan Ilic on how boredom feeds creativity and why technology keeps eliminating it.

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How Men Find Community and Build Empathy with Michael Tennant (#47) episode art

How Men Find Community and Build Empathy with Michael Tennant (#47)

Michael Tennant on emotional awareness, vulnerability, and how men build community and deeper connections.

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Insider Secrets On How We Shop and What We Eat with Paco Underhill (#46) episode art

Insider Secrets On How We Shop and What We Eat with Paco Underhill (#46)

Paco Underhill on decades of research into how people shop, how retail spaces changed, and what drives buying decisions.

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How To Be Defiant When It Matters Most with Dr. Sunita Sah (#45) episode art

How To Be Defiant When It Matters Most with Dr. Sunita Sah (#45)

Sunita Sah on defiance as a positive act, and how knowing your own values makes it possible.

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The Infuriating Upside of Trash Talk with Rafi Kohan (#44) episode art

The Infuriating Upside of Trash Talk with Rafi Kohan (#44)

Rafi Kohan on trash talk in sports and beyond, its psychological effects, and why it is widely misunderstood.

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Using Bizarre Lifestyle Experiments To Save Democracy with A.J. Jacobs (#43) episode art

Using Bizarre Lifestyle Experiments To Save Democracy with A.J. Jacobs (#43)

A.J. Jacobs on spending a year living by the Constitution, and treating disagreements as puzzles to solve.

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How To Be A Super Communicator with Charles Duhigg (#42) episode art

How To Be A Super Communicator with Charles Duhigg (#42)

Charles Duhigg on the skills of supercommunicators, including matching conversation types and asking deeper questions.

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How Work Works with Michelle P. King (#41) episode art

How Work Works with Michelle P. King (#41)

Michelle P. King on making a job more fulfilling and the informal rules of organizational culture that hold people back.

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How Status Really Works And How It Doesn't with Chuck Thompson (#40) episode art

How Status Really Works And How It Doesn't with Chuck Thompson (#40)

Chuck Thompson on what status means today and how lowbrow tastes became markers of prestige.

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What You Don't Know About Disability with Ashley Shew (#39) episode art

What You Don't Know About Disability with Ashley Shew (#39)

Ashley Shew on technoableism, rethinking who needs improvement, and writing for people who will become disabled.

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The Disturbing Truth About Fate Vs Flukes with Brian Klaas (#38) episode art

The Disturbing Truth About Fate Vs Flukes with Brian Klaas (#38)

Brian Klaas on chance and chaos, and why small flukes shape history more than we like to admit.

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How to Transform the Way You See Time with Richard Fisher (#37) episode art

How to Transform the Way You See Time with Richard Fisher (#37)

Richard Fisher on long-term thinking and how to stretch our sense of time beyond the immediate present.

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How To Spot A Fraud or Scam with Kelly Richmond Pope (#36) episode art

How To Spot A Fraud or Scam with Kelly Richmond Pope (#36)

Kelly Richmond Pope on what she learned interviewing fraud perpetrators and victims, and how to recognize a scam.

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How "Workarounds" Can Solve Big Problems with Paulo Savaget (#35) episode art

How "Workarounds" Can Solve Big Problems with Paulo Savaget (#35)

Paulo Savaget on how scrappy organizations invent workarounds to tackle complex problems.

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Why Social Media Makes Us Angry with Tobias Rose-Stockwell (#34) episode art

Why Social Media Makes Us Angry with Tobias Rose-Stockwell (#34)

Tobias Rose-Stockwell on how social platforms amplify outrage, and the changes that reduce toxicity and polarization.

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How To Work With (Almost) Anyone with Michael Bungay Stanier (#33) episode art

How To Work With (Almost) Anyone with Michael Bungay Stanier (#33)

Michael Bungay Stanier on building the best possible working relationships with the people around you.

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Why Most Projects Fail and How To Fix Them with Bent Flyvbjerg & Dan Gardner (#32) episode art

Why Most Projects Fail and How To Fix Them with Bent Flyvbjerg & Dan Gardner (#32)

Bent Flyvbjerg and Dan Gardner on the pattern behind failed megaprojects and what determines whether big things get done.

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Everything You Never Knew About Pockets with Hannah Carlson (#31) episode art

Everything You Never Knew About Pockets with Hannah Carlson (#31)

Hannah Carlson on the history of pockets and what they reveal about how we keep things close.

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How To Write Your Own Obituary with James R. Hagerty (#30) episode art

How To Write Your Own Obituary with James R. Hagerty (#30)

James R. Hagerty, a longtime obituary writer, on how to tell your life story and write your own.

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Why Afrofuturism Matters with Dr. Kevin Strait (#29) episode art

Why Afrofuturism Matters with Dr. Kevin Strait (#29)

Kevin Strait of the National Museum of African American History and Culture on Afrofuturism and imagining the future.

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How Culture Influences Our Behavior with Dr. Marcus Collins (#28) episode art

How Culture Influences Our Behavior with Dr. Marcus Collins (#28)

Marcus Collins on culture as the most powerful influence on behavior, and how to bring it into your work.

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Being More Coachable and Accepting Good Advice with Jacquelyn Lane and Scott Osman (#26) episode art

Being More Coachable and Accepting Good Advice with Jacquelyn Lane and Scott Osman (#26)

Jacquelyn Lane and Scott Osman on becoming coachable and getting real value from executive coaching.

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Dealing with Difficult People with Amy Gallo (#25) episode art

Dealing with Difficult People with Amy Gallo (#25)

Amy Gallo on working with difficult colleagues, and handling conflict and feedback conversations better.

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How To Be More Persuasive with Zoe Chance (#24) episode art

How To Be More Persuasive with Zoe Chance (#24)

Zoe Chance, who teaches influence and persuasion at Yale, on how a shy person learns to be persuasive.

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Why Employees Leave and Why They Stay with Joey Coleman (#23) episode art

Why Employees Leave and Why They Stay with Joey Coleman (#23)

Joey Coleman on employee and customer experience, and how companies keep the people they hire.

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How To Be A "Good-ish" Person with Dolly Chugh (#22) episode art

How To Be A "Good-ish" Person with Dolly Chugh (#22)

Dolly Chugh on bounded ethicality, the psychology of good people, and unlearning history to build a fairer future.

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Understanding Data Even If You Hate Numbers with Neil Hoyne (#21) episode art

Understanding Data Even If You Hate Numbers with Neil Hoyne (#21)

Neil Hoyne, Google's chief measurement strategist, on making data and measurement useful for people who dislike numbers.

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How To Create a More Inclusive Workplace with "The Band of Sisters" (#20) episode art

How To Create a More Inclusive Workplace with "The Band of Sisters" (#20)

The Band of Sisters, a group of former senior executives, on countering gender bias in the boardroom.

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Why An Analog World Is More Human with David Sax (#19) episode art

Why An Analog World Is More Human with David Sax (#19)

David Sax on why an analog future is a more human one, and the limits of digital life.

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Getting Unstuck and Embracing Change with Barry J. Moltz (#18) episode art

Getting Unstuck and Embracing Change with Barry J. Moltz (#18)

Barry J. Moltz on getting a stuck small business moving again through marketing, sales, cash flow, and productivity.

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Everything Professional Designers Should Know with Ellen Lupton, Kaleena Sales, & Valentine Vergara (#17) episode art

Everything Professional Designers Should Know with Ellen Lupton, Kaleena Sales, & Valentine Vergara (#17)

Ellen Lupton, Kaleena Sales, and Valentine Vergara on inclusive, anti-racist design and rethinking assumptions in graphic design.

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How To Think Like a Cartoonist with Tom Fishburne (#16) episode art

How To Think Like a Cartoonist with Tom Fishburne (#16)

Tom Fishburne, the Marketoonist, on using cartoons and humor to find better marketing ideas.

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How Women's Fitness Shaped the World with Danielle Friedman (#15) episode art

How Women's Fitness Shaped the World with Danielle Friedman (#15)

Danielle Friedman on the untold history of women's exercise culture and how physical strength became other forms of power.

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Getting People Talking About Race with Priya Vulchi & Winona Guo (#14) episode art

Getting People Talking About Race with Priya Vulchi & Winona Guo (#14)

Priya Vulchi and Winona Guo on traveling to every state to get strangers talking honestly about race.

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How To Talk To A Racist with Dr. David W. Campt (#13) episode art

How To Talk To A Racist with Dr. David W. Campt (#13)

David W. Campt on how anti-racism allies can hold transformative conversations with people who hold racist views.

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The Truth About College Admissions with Jeff Selingo (#12) episode art

The Truth About College Admissions with Jeff Selingo (#12)

Jeff Selingo on what really happens inside college admissions offices.

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How To Transform Your Brand with Emmanuel Probst (#11) episode art

How To Transform Your Brand with Emmanuel Probst (#11)

Emmanuel Probst on building an enduring brand and the mistakes marketers make along the way.

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What Female Leaders Really Need with Deepa Purushothaman (#10) episode art

What Female Leaders Really Need with Deepa Purushothaman (#10)

Deepa Purushothaman on supporting women in leadership and challenging the status quo of ambition, success, and power.

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The Secrets of Digital Body Language with Erica Dhawan (#9) episode art

The Secrets of Digital Body Language with Erica Dhawan (#9)

Erica Dhawan on digital body language and communicating clearly when most work happens on screens.

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How To Get People To Support You with Suneel Gupta (#8) episode art

How To Get People To Support You with Suneel Gupta (#8)

Suneel Gupta on how to get other people to back you and your ideas.

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How To Be An Epic Gift Giver with John Ruhlin (#7) episode art

How To Be An Epic Gift Giver with John Ruhlin (#7)

John Ruhlin on giftology, and how thoughtful gifts build lasting business relationships.

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How Ownership Really Works with Michael Heller & Jim Salzman (#6) episode art

How Ownership Really Works with Michael Heller & Jim Salzman (#6)

Michael Heller and James Salzman on the six simple rules people use to claim ownership of almost everything.

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The Death of Common Sense with Martin Lindstrom (#5) episode art

The Death of Common Sense with Martin Lindstrom (#5)

Martin Lindstrom on what has caused the death of common sense in business.

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Why Collaboration Is Overrated with Safi Bahcall (#4) episode art

Why Collaboration Is Overrated with Safi Bahcall (#4)

Safi Bahcall, author of Loonshots, on why collaboration is overrated. Originally aired December 2021.

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The Power of Outsider Thinking with Beth Comstock (#3) episode art

The Power of Outsider Thinking with Beth Comstock (#3)

Beth Comstock on the power of outsider thinking and driving change inside big organizations. Originally aired November 2021.

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How To Develop Your Big Ideas with Daniel H. Pink (#2) episode art

How To Develop Your Big Ideas with Daniel H. Pink (#2)

Daniel H. Pink on where big ideas come from and how to develop them. Originally aired September 2021.

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What Makes Someone Remarkable? with Guy Kawasaki (#1) episode art

What Makes Someone Remarkable? with Guy Kawasaki (#1)

Guy Kawasaki, chief evangelist at Canva, on what makes someone remarkable. Originally aired October 2021.

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